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Hello! Are you enjoying a typical Irish winter? My
brother lives in Limerick and tells me there’s been some flooding
nearby.
Winter in Ireland is generally a grey depressing few months. Grey,
pissing rain and windy. HOwever seeing as we haven't had proper
seasons anymore most of the year is divided into winter and winter-lite,
or rather not raining. Loads of flooding, most of Ireland's cities
are built on floodplains.
I’ve read on your website that PRIMORDIAL are currently in the
writing process of the follow up to 2007’s, “To The Nameless Dead”.
You stated that you want the new material to sound “rougher” and
“more organic” than the past album. How’s it shaping up so far?
Yes we have the bones of about 5/6 pieces of music. It's too early
really to tell what direction we are heading in but the songs sound
powerful to me. Still vibrant and full of energy and purpose. To be
honest what I want is a production from around 1978-1982. I hate the
modern metal sound. I want something open and huge sounding, not
compressed to smithereens for the ipod generation without any
dynamic range. A cross between Mob Rules and Killers.
You’ll also be releasing your first DVD in the new year.
PRIMORDIAL are renowned for their powerful live performances; do you
feel the DVD captures this? What can fans expect from this in
general?
Yeah we have done something quite different. This is not a festival
free filmed show. We brought in loads of people with no connections
to the metal scene to try and make something unique. It's shot in an
old tone, it looks like something from 1979. Not crisp and digital
with the standard 3 different camera angles. It's edited with real
pace and depth. I think a lot of people will be surprised, it looks
like the best live metal dvd I've ever seen to be honest. Or at
least up there. We aren't a bonus disc of us doing silly stuff
backstage kind of band so there is a documentary about the band and
some bonus shows from 2008. It won't be overkill though...who
watches 7 discs of the same songs?
Going back to your most recent album; “To The Nameless Dead” was
not only well received by critics, but was also a huge success
amongst fans. Was there any anxiety about not being able to create
something up to standard before beginning work on new material?
Slightly, we aren't the kind of people who are really moved by the
motivation to cynically rush things and try to capitalise on our own
success. What happens happens. We realised of course for the first
time ever there is expectation among fans, new fans and the media
but we just do as we always did and work on our own time. When
number seven is ready it's ready. We are often our own biggest
critics so hopefully we can follow it up with something equally as
strong but not tread the same path again. So far I'm confident.
Your last two albums seem to have been a breakthrough for the
band, in some respects. A lot more people seem to be taking note of
PRIMORDIAL now that pagan metal has become a more popular genre. Do
you ever find it strange how people are being introduced to
PRIMORDIAL through newer bands, despite the fact that PRIMORDIAL
have been around many years?
Sure, it happens this way sometimes. We came from the second wave of
Black Metal and bands from the 80s and don't have much in common
with most modern 'pagan' metal or fans who seem to have come more
from the power metal genre but what goes around comes around.
Magazines that wouldn't touch us before are all of a sudden
proclaiming us the godfathers of modern pagan metal. Not a problem
for me and it's positive to see a chartable growth within the band.
If we can bring some of our culture to new people, challenge them
and show them another side of the genre then great.
PRIMORDIAL have come to be known for their powerful music with a
passionate delivery. What was it like touring with the more upbeat
bands of the genre on your most recent tours?
I've had my doubts and I think especially in Europe it tried the
patience of our older more underground fans who like me find little
musical common ground in the bands we toured with but as I said at
the time. I think it was important we went out there and showed
people another side of this so called pagan metal genre and brought
our own history and culture out there to new people. maybe some of
the kids hated us and didn't understand it but in 5 years time they
might. We might not do it again in the future but it was important
at least once in Europe and the US. I'm not into this kind of music
but that's not a problem on tour and generally to a man and woman
they have all been great people. Touring with bands like Finntroll,
Eluveitie and Moonsorrow for example is an absolute pleasure.
You played your first show in North America in 2006 and have
since returned a few times, I believe. Do you plan on touring more
extensively after the release of your seventh album, or will seeing
PRIMORDIAL live always be a very special occasion?
We have done one tour with Korpiklaani and Moonsorrow among others
in April 2008. Before that one show in Minnesota. Primordial live
from now on will always be a special occasion as touring becomes
harder and harder the older you get and the more responsibilities
you have. We don't make a living from Primordial and some of us have
kids etc. so bear in mind it's almost impossible to make money in
the States. Visas, flights, the weakness of the dollar, unseen
import taxes and the 30% + commission that all venues take from your
merch. It's a huge sacrifice for us but we hope to be back as we had
a great time there the last time.
One thing PRIMORDIAL are not strangers to are festivals. You’ve
played many of the big metal festivals such as Wacken in Germany,
Hove in Norway, and even some smaller ones such as Ireland’s Day of
Darkness. Are playing festivals like this something you enjoy doing
or can they be hard and stressful for the band?
Sure they are stressful. In 5 days we played 5 shows...Norway,
Finland, Estonia, Germany and Belgium. Flying between each,
travelling in a van. No soundcheck. No sleep etc. but when you sign
up to being in a metal band and you can achieve this then you have
to stand tall and take all the shit on the chin because at the end
of the day you are standing on a stage bringing something you
created to a huge audience of new people. I love playing live, this
much is evident to anyone who sees us so for me it's a new challenge
everyday and I am priviliged but you make your own luck. We deserve
to be where we are right now in 2009. When I don't enjoy it anymore
I hope I have the good grace to quit.
Despite the increase in popularity of pagan/folk metal,
PRIMORDIAL haven’t adjusted their sound to cater to this trend by
adding folk instruments or female vocals to their music. Is it
important that you stay true to your past and continue along this
path, maintaining an identity of your own?
The day we do that is the day hell freezes over. Nothing in
Primordial is calculated to the scene or the scenes trends or
politics. I know bands who do that, I've stood and watched them
live, listened to them planning and plotting in the backstage as to
what will bring them more attention. Bullshit, all of it. Not
compromising is what our fans love us for. It's not going to change
now.
You dedicated your album, “The Gathering Wilderness”, to Quorthon
of Bathory, which I thought was really cool. He must have been an
important figure to the band.
Of course. Without Bathory Primordial would definitely not sound the
same. Bathory was the first band that showed us you could mix
culture and metal together without being cartoon pastiche on an epic
scale. It really didn't hit me at the time of his death until a few
days later and I pulled out the vinyls and played all the albums
back to back and it struck me how much debt I owe him. Not only for
enriching my life but for shining a torch along a path no one else
was willing to walk. We walk that path now.
Favourite Bathory album?
Probably Blood Fire Death as it's the perfect mix of the old black
metal past and the epic side to come. A Fine Day to Die might be the
greatest metal song ever written without doubt. However any one of
the first six I'll accept as anyones favourite. They are all unique
and appeal to me on different levels.
Some of my personal favourite PRIMORDIAL songs include Empire
Falls, The Coffin Ships, and Autumn’s Ablaze. When you look back on
your career, are there certain songs or albums that you are
particularly proud of?
I am proud of them all and wouldn't change a thing. They capture us
at moments in our lives, flawed as they might be we are humans and
Primordial has always sounded human in an age of machine like bands.
The best way I can say it is that each song and album means
something different to me over the years and some have become really
special through playing them live, for example to witness the
reaction to the Coffin Ships live is incredible and deeply moving.
The day I can't be moved by that is again the day I hopefully quit.
PRIMORDIAL’s lyrics have dealt with a wide variety of subjects
such as paganism, Irish history, nature, and the poetry of William
Yeats. On a deeper level, however, the lyrics seem to address more
contemporary matters. What are some of the main messages that the
lyrics of PRIMORDIAL attempt to convey?
Not many lyrics deal with paganism or folklore to be honest. They
deal with questions relating to both but always have a purchase in
the modern age, in the here and now. Primordial is about our
challenges now not dealing with some mythical past that never was. I
only ever use motifs from the past like 'Sons of the Morrigan' to
tell an allegorical tale related to the here and now. Primordial
attempts to deal with all these problems we face; religion,
martyrdom, nationality and nationalism and how we relate to that,
history, faith, alienation, failure and triumph. Anyone from Peru to
Palestine should be able to see themselves in Primordial. It's not
exclusive but inclusive.
Even though PRIMORDIAL are in their mature years, I still see a
lot of life in the band. For how much longer do you think PRIMORDIAL
will continue for?
Thanks a lot for your time! Any last words for your heathen tribes?
I'm 34 now. We are all around the same age. We started young so we
still have some years left. Who knows? when we made one album I
couldn't see us making 1 but here we are nearer to 10 then 1. Our
work isn't finished yet but someday. Until then, keep the faith. Joy
and strength.
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